Show #044: Imminent Awesome Multitude of Pies

eimydm-yl-6The forty-fourthnd episode of our podcast, Paul and Storm Talk About Some Stuff for Five to Ten Minutes (On Average), is now online.

This week’s episode: Storm returns triumphantly and rescues a cat; our inability to get accepted on Pandora; pie in upstate New York (definitely a pie place); Storm’s pants regrets, and Paul’s questionable pants practices; our recent addiction to Plants vs. Zombies; and James Michener and the prism of time.

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UPDATE: If you wish to suggest our music to Pandora, find out how to do it here. (Thanks for the reminder, Roman!)

Featured post-show song: “I’ll Go Home with Bonnie Jean” – Brigadoon (Original Broadway Cast

Show #044: Imminent Awesome Multitude of Pies (Some content NSFW)


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  1. Posted June 16, 2009 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    Hey Storm – if you enjoy “The Source”-type books; the kind that are based on exhaustive research and characters built into times…try out Herman Wouk’s “The Winds of War” and “War & Remembrance.” They’re WW2 stories told mostly from the point of view of a naval family and their friends. And Herman Wouk has the added advantage of having been in the Navy, fighting in the Pacific, at the time.

  2. Posted June 16, 2009 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    I’m a big fan of the sniff-test for pants, but that may have more to do with my laziness re: doing laundry than anything else. I really don’t think there’s anything wrong with multiple days of wearing pants in general, though.

    Thanks for bringing back Paul and Storm Recommends. 🙂 Storm, if you’d like to read more about Hawaiian history, I have a few books I can recommend. They’re all nonfiction, so it won’t be like reading Michener, but if you’re interested, check out:

    Ku Kanaka by George Hu`ue Sanford Kanahele – This is a thick book and very academic in tone, but it covers a lot of the history of the islands from a cultural perspective. I think it will help give more information and a bit of a context for much of what Michener writes about in Hawaii.

    Hawai`i’s Story by Hawai`i’s Queen by Queen Liliu`okalani – This gives the Queen’s account of her life including the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy. Obviously, this book is going to have some bias in it, and some have disputed the accuracy of some of her assertions, but it’s a quick read and it’s cool to get an inside look into what it was like during the time of transition. I think you may be able to find an ebook of this for free online.

    And finally, if you’re interested in more recent history (like the plight of immigrant plantation workers), I highly recommend Ronald Takaki’s book Strangers from a Different Shore. He has a chapter about what it was like to be a plantation worker in Hawai`i from 1850 – 1920.

    Yes, now I’ll shut up. 😡

  3. Posted June 16, 2009 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    😡 = FTL. Oh, how I wish we could edit our comments.

  4. Rion
    Posted June 16, 2009 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    FYI, I discovered DVN through Pandora Radio. I dont know why you comment that you can’t get on Pandora, I have already heard “My Enormous Penis”, “The Gates”, and a couple others quite often.

    I was given these offerings after having created a radio for the duo: Flight of the Conchords.

    Killer stuff btw.

  5. Paul and Storm
    Posted June 16, 2009 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Hi Lena – I’ve read both those books and, indeed, they hit the historical fiction sweet spot! Also recommended: The Killer Angels (American Civil War) by Michael Shaara.

    Erin – I will indeed check those books out; thanks.

    Rion – Our puzzlement is that while DVN (our old awesome band) is on Pandora, our current awesome band’s music has been rejected. Maybe they regretted ever adding DVN, and didn’t want to make the same mistake twice 😉


  6. Posted June 16, 2009 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Comments on pants:

    1) If pants are visibly, freshly stained (e.g. tomato sauce from lunch), they shouldn’t be worn again, even if they don’t smell.
    2) If your cat is upset with you, a sniff test before putting on *clean* pants is in order. Once may be too many. I learned this the hard way.

  7. Cybermudgeon
    Posted June 16, 2009 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    I will often wear the same pants for an entire week, but I do change everything else (except for iPhone, glasses, shoes & watch) every day.

    Tangentially to Pandora, you do have a presence on

    So I’d tell Pandora to F-off and urge people to listen to However, when I’ve listened to the Paul & Storm Channel (on the latter), they’ve only played the DVN Bill Gates song…so maybe not. 😉

  8. Posted June 16, 2009 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    That sucks, re Pandora. I will do that artist suggest, which is described at this link, since you haven’t posted the link (yet?). I mean I like DVN, but honestly I like P&S much more, probably because I never listened to DVN back in the day, only have since I started with P&S.

    I think the reason they want artists and/or labels to be the ones who submit is for copyright. Like consider if John Q. Shmuck puts a Jack Johnson album on BitTorrent, vs. if Jack Johnson himself did it? The latter is legal, the former isn’t. They want whoever is legally entitled to approve this sort of Pandora/share thing to be the ones to approve it. Of course none of this matters for us Creative Commons musicians.

    Plus, I think they’re selective with who they accept because they give artists money for every play, but again, this isn’t a factor for CC musicians, if you noted that to them, that they can play your songs for no fees, they might be more accepting to oblige?

    Brigadoon reference, nice one!

    It was raining a lolcat at my house… There was, however, no Chocolate Rain, Purple Rain, or the rain of males.

    Congrats on the weight loss, Storm. I’d just like to say before and after pics or it didn’t happen.

    One thing of note is the comedy music duo Hard ‘n’ Phirm have discussed on the Twitter as to a feud with you two. I am, however of the opinion that you could totally take them.

    I’m not clear on what type of shirts you’re talking about.

    No I re wear stuff a lot, but only at home – like sweatpants, for example, I will wear the same ones at home for a while, assuming they’re not dirty (and they don’t smell, obviosuly) – it should be OK. Every so often though I do feel the need to change, just because of instinct I guess like “Yeah I think I need to change pants now.” That’s usually after 3-4 days, so viva Storm on this one.

    Erin – the school year is over, quit telling people to read. XD. Only kidding, I’ve recommended quite a few books to people in the last few days, mostly re Iran situation (some people are totally clueless on the region, and political and economic issues).

    As a programmer, I can only think of GUI.

  9. Posted June 16, 2009 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    I heard Frank Zappa’s “The Illinois Enema Bandit(live version)” on Pandora FOUR TIMES last Saturday & Sunday. While I enjoy that song I certainly would have given up one or perhaps even two plays of that song for a Paul & Storm gem. There certainly should be room to add your creative, original and enjoyable songs. I have emailed the address posted here to suggest they add you. Hope you’re back in Madison (WI) soon!

    PS- I’ve heard DVN on Pandora too!

  10. Tam o'Shanter
    Posted June 16, 2009 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    As a minion, I’m going to organize a Minion-Suggested Minion Task: Everyone request the hell out of Pandora for Paul and Storm to be added!!! Spread it to other fans, too!

  11. Posted June 16, 2009 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    I’ve submitted my email request for you guys. Hope they listen to us. I know how you feel, it’s like Adam Sandler’s character in Happy Gilmore, where Sandler’s character says to the antagonist “I was in this tournament or one reason, money, now I’m gonna kick your ass” or something to the effect.

    Also one correction about Pandora. You said it suggests you music based on a bunch of categories and attributes in that particular song. The Wikipedia has a list of those attributes. Pandora’s help FAQ page thing also defines a few of them, if you start here and scroll down through the rest of them. You can also use Pandora’s “Thumbs-up” and “thumbs-down” buttons, and it becomes a sort of TiVo-kind of thing, where it takes attributes from songs you like and pushes more of them, and less of what you dislike. If you “dislike” the same artist twice, for example, it will ban that artist from your station.

    If you’re in a Pandora station and listening to a song, you can click on the “Song” tab and it’ll display a list of attributes in that song. You can alternatively click the “Menu” button (between the thumbs-up and thumbs-down buttons) and click “Why Was This Song Selected?”)

  12. Posted June 16, 2009 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Rather, you said it suggests music based on what others have listened to, but in reality it suggests it based on those attributes and your thumbs-up/thumbs-downing.

  13. zackmann
    Posted June 16, 2009 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Was naming the Cat, Puck, inspired by Philippa Ballantine’s book Chasing the Bard?

  14. Posted June 17, 2009 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Storm – have you read the next two, “The Hope” and “The Glory”? They aren’t the same characters, but they start in Israel in 1948, from the point of view of insiders. Also based on exhaustive research and interviews with some pretty well-known people, as well as historical tomes and memoirs. If you haven’t read them, I recommend them (and not just because I live here!)

  15. Posted June 17, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    @Roman: Haha! You should know by now that school year or not, pushing books is my thing. 😉 Also, re: your tweet about links, it’s not just our twitter links that don’t work (see greg warner’s Facebook link).

  16. Robin
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    That’s too bad about Pandora. If/when I sign up for it, I’ll totally request you guys. I completely understand Paul’s “Why don’t you want us?” reaction, though.

    Congratulations on being adopted by another cat, Storm!

    Oh, man, do I want blueberry pie now. Sadly, the wild ones won’t be ripe for another couple of weeks, and I can’t stand the big cultivated ones from Jersey. But there’s about an acre of bushes behind my mom’s house in Maine and you’d best believe that I’ll be bringing some home next time I visit. Hmm… better make some crust and stash it in the freezer before I go.

    As for the pants issue, my rule of thumb is two (or three for jeans) non-consecutive wearings before washing unless they are a) visibly dirty, b) really wrinkled, or c) gamey. Workout clothes only get one wearing. The exception on the more side of things is, like RomanV, bumming-around-the-house type things like sweats and pajamas. Those are usually good for a week or so.

  17. Jack F.
    Posted June 18, 2009 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    I’m not at all surprised that Pandora accepted Opening Band but rejected Gumbo Pants and News to Us. Opening Band – the song – has a much more commercial sound and feel than Count to Ten and The Barrytone’s Musical Summary. The first track really sets the tone for a new listener. I’m not saying Opening Band is necessarily better, just that it may be a more accessible album to someone not familiar with P&S.

  18. Mrs Flibble
    Posted June 18, 2009 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Count me in as a pants re-wearer. 2-3 reuses is my average. Our cousins across the pond make excellent use of airing cupboards to hang up clothes after they’ve been worn to re-wear. Hanging them outside in the breeze is a good option as well. Of course there’s the wading them up in a ball and letting the cats sleep on them choice for those who are a bit less fussy.

  19. Philip Pickard
    Posted June 19, 2009 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    It’s less smell than feel for me. When they start to feel clingy in that “soaked up too much body oil” way…yeah, time for a wash.

  20. Posted June 19, 2009 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    It may take 4,000 emails to get action (sadly probably 4 emails to the FCC would get them banned from the airwaves for life…)

    Read my (probably automated) reply from my request to Pandora to add Paul & Storm..then take the quiz…

    “Hey there Greg,

    Thanks for the great recommendation of Paul & Storm & for the helpful information on them. We greatly appreciate your feedback! We’re getting so many great music suggestions every day. So it may take us some time, but we will look into checking out this cool new music. I’ve added them to our to-research list. Thanks for taking the time to write to us and for your interest in Pandora!

    Cheers, Jasmyn

    QUIZ- Will Pandora add Paul & Storm?
    A). When Hell freezes over.
    B). Not in a month of Sundays.
    C). When monkeys fly out of my butt.
    D). Absolutely- Pandora has received more requests to add Paul & Storm than any other artist.

    ANSWER- Hopefully “D”- but only if we make it happen!! EMAIL Now!

  21. Joey
    Posted June 19, 2009 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    For some reason jeans seem different. I’ll wear the hell out of jeans until I spill something on them, but that would seem weird with other pants, or any other clothing.

  22. Posted June 22, 2009 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    My e-mail to Pandora in its entirety:
    “Jonathan Coulton but no Paul and Storm? Oversight! I call oversight!”

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