Show #024: We Are Frauds

The twenty-fourthth episode of our podcast, Paul and Storm Talk About Some Stuff for Five to Ten Minutes (On Average), is now online.

In this particularly introspective episode: theme restaurants and Storm’s noise sensitivity; etymology and deconstruction; a weekend of increasing geekery, starting with East Meets West; lackeys vs. toadies; a You Look Nice Today-style humbling; and Adam Savage gives us some “Gambler“-style advice.

Featured post-show song: “Tighten Up, Pt. 1 (LP Version)” – Archie Bell & the Drells

Show #024: We Are Frauds (Some content NSFW)


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  1. Ken Kopin (is serious)
    Posted January 21, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Just a thought I’ve had almost every week now, but especially today for some reason.

    It seems like you two start getting antsy after the twenty minute mark, as if someone is looking over your shoulders with a stop-watch in hand. I, for one, love to hear you talk about most every topic you find worthy. I have never found myself calling “boring!” before you do.

    What I’m getting at is this. I think one week you should try just shooting the wad and making a podcast as long as you have topics to talk about. I’d be willing to bet you had at least five minutes about your evening with Adam Savage you would have related if you’d felt you had the time.

    At the very least you should try it to see how it goes over.

  2. Paul and Storm
    Posted January 21, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    A number of people have said the same thing, Ken, about the podcast length. So let’s open it up to the floor for debate (see new poll now included at the bottom of the post.)

    For practical reasons we probably wouldn’t ever go longer than 45 minutes (not including the song at the end), but we can indeed b.s. at each other for a long, long time.

  3. Posted January 21, 2009 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    You guys can talk as long as you want, and I’d listen. I often listen to your podcasts while working on my thesis or taking care of some other assignment; it makes an enjoyable soundtrack to unenjoyable tasks. 🙂

  4. Posted January 21, 2009 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    I say no more than hour. I normally synch up my portable media player of choice in the morning, and then listen to new ‘casts on my commute. My commute is generally an hour long (via bus, obviously). I’d hate to get to school, and then to class, and your podcast is still going.

    I can just picture Storm saying, in a pinnochian voice, “I’M NOT A PUPPET I’M A REAL STORM!” The Puppet, however, also believes this, so I’m not sure what to do.

    Poor Paul, he’s all Big Bad World One. No wonder you too have so many emo bands, sheesh. I agree with Storm re overhead trains, though.

    “Paul and Storm talk about the cool people they got to hang out with for several hours for five to ten minutes… on average” ???

    I’ve found the band Nirvana, and I’ve found I very much like their music.

    I’m still in favor of starting a Randy Newman watch, to get Newman to notice you two and/or your project.

    By the way, can I say I like the way your netcast has developed. I remember the first episode and you were all awkward and didn’t really know what to talk about, etc. It’s definitely gotten to the point where it’s (usually) a highlight and fun to listen to.

  5. Posted January 21, 2009 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Rather, I wouldn’t hate that your cast is still going, but that I have to turn it off in the middle.

  6. Ann
    Posted January 21, 2009 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    I say, if you think a podcast is on a roll, keep going! I’ll listen. There have been a few really good episodes that I thought got cut off prematurely just to make the ‘time limit’. Today, for example: you guys seemed *really* excited to talk about the tour and Adam Savage and all but ended rather abruptly. I view the P&S podcasts as this: if we’re listening every week, we’re obviously fans. Thus, we regularly pay money to hear you two b.s. (to use Paul’s phrasing) at each other on stage. Personally, I find it amusing and interesting to hear you guys talk in a more relaxed setting when you are not in show mode. The podcast seems to flow more easily, more relaxed now, so the time flies and I’m not saying all this just b/c I have a 40-minute drive to work. So, yeah, that’s my 2 cents.

    Casa Bonita sounds like this place I once (was forced to go to) back in hs during a field trip called Kahunaville and I think it was by the NJ/DE border. The food was god-awful, the décor looked like The Rainforest Café and The Tiki Bar had a b*stard love child and the ‘arcade’ had maybe 2 lame-duck machines working. Oh, and the building was shaped like a giant volcano. I carried one the arcade tokens in my wallet for years, till I lost it in college 🙁 Wow, I wonder if that place is still there, it’s been 10+ years now.

    You want to talk about feeling/acting embarrassed meeting celebrities? Yeah, thank God you two don’t remember the first time I ever met you after a show.

  7. Posted January 22, 2009 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    I particularly enjoyed this show. I think most of us geeks/nerds feel the same way. Every time I talk with you and Dr. Coulton at a show, I feel like an utter dimwit. But you all never treat me like one. Thanks for that. 🙂

    Also, Roman V said:
    My commute is generally an hour long (via bus, obviously).

    This is not at all obvious to a person who lives in Los Angeles.

  8. Posted January 22, 2009 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    I tend to listen to shorter podcasts, because I listen to them while waiting for the bus, while walking from the bus stop to my office (I read while on the bus, since I don’t need my eyes for anything else, though I’ll continue listening to podcasts if I don’t get a seat), walking from one office to another, etc, and these occasions tend to be fairly short but often (so maybe actually splitting the podcast into several five-to-ten-minute (on average) segments would be a good idea!) More than 20 minutes and it usually means I’m still listening to it for a while after I’ve got where I’m going and should be concentrating on something else (which can be a good excuse to procrastinate, actually.)

    Podcasts remember where they were up to, so I could (and often do) just leave it and listen to the rest another time, but since I have such a huge backlog of podcasts to listen to now (I really have to unsubscribe from some… but which?), and I listen to them in a random order, this means there can be a several-week-long gap in the middle of the podcast. So I prefer to listen to short things all in one go. I do listen to a few podcasts that go to about 45 minutes, but I don’t want any more of them since I already have too many.

    Hey, you know, maybe I should start listening to podcasts in chronological order, then I wouldn’t have this problem. It would mean a little more fiddling when switching from podcasts to random music and back, but it just might work.

  9. Posted January 22, 2009 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    You guys can go as long as you want (that’s what she said). I agree with Ken and Ann; I feel like sometimes you’ve just gotten started on a topic and you cut yourselves short. I do usually listen on my commute, which is about 40 minutes both ways, but if I didn’t finish in the car, I’d just listen later.

    Also, Storm, you asked about theme restaurants in other countries, and they’re big in Japan (:))

    Ninja themed:
    Prison themed: (Scroll down to see pictures on this one)
    Christian themed (yes, really):
    The Diamond Dining company ( runs a couple of other ones (vampires, Alice in Wonderland, etc), but their website isn’t working for me.

    @Colleenky: I also always feel like a dimwit. Glad I’m not alone! 🙂

  10. Robin
    Posted January 22, 2009 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    I listen to a number of podcasts, and 45-minutes-to-an-hour seems to be the limit of my attention span for any of them. (Except 7th Son, but that gets audiobook immunity.) Thus far, I’ve enjoyed the compact format of this one, but if you’re feeling too restrained I’d happily listen to longer installments. I’ve still got a couple others that keep to 20-30 minutes.

    I’ve never thought of you as JoCo’s lackeys. More like complementary partners or allies. Kind of a geeky, funny, musically gifted Justice League. But with pirates and zombies.

    Also? Adam Freakin’ Savage! Holy crap!

  11. Candace
    Posted January 22, 2009 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    I’ve often wished you’re podcasts were longer because I want to hear the other subjects you have listed out.

    How do you record your podcasts in the first place? I have a Mac but haven’t figured out how to record over the phone, which is what it seems like what’s going on. Do you use Garage Band or a 3rd party software?

  12. Stanley
    Posted January 22, 2009 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get it.

  13. Marsh (Piercing Green Eyes Minion)
    Posted January 23, 2009 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Your comment about Farrell’s brought back memories for me. My friend greg and I went there on a Sunday afternoon to split a Sundae as we often did. We had the Sundae and rode our bikes home about 8 miles. Between the time we left and the time we got home, about an hour, this happened….
    We got lucky that day.

  14. Posted January 23, 2009 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Back ‘atcha, fellas:

  15. Andrew Hackard
    Posted January 24, 2009 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Farrells: I had my fourth birthday there. My parents took a Super 8 movie of the experience, blissfully without sound, that is now in my possession as a guard against blackmail. I do appear to have had a good time (but not as good as my baby sister, who gave herself an ice cream bath).

    Adam Savage and the chicken nugget lady: I suspect that Adam, being a creator himself, totally understood why you were so touched by the chicken nugget in a casket doll. It wasn’t the craftsmanship or the intricacy that matters, it was that someone went to the trouble of hand-making something that was specifically meaningful to you. (Of course, if you didn’t play “Nugget Man” the night he was there, he might have been somewhat confused…)

  16. Posted January 29, 2009 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    45 minutes is my absolute limit, and here’s why. I dump my podcasts to cassette (old-school!) and pop them in my tape player on the way to work. My tapes are 90m, so each side is a 45. And no, the deck that I record them on doesn’t have auto reverse. So you guys can go for as long as you want, but I’ll only listen to the first 45 minutes. It would make me sad to miss any Paul-and-Storm-ness.

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